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Twic East Community of South Sudan-USA: Press Statement On Hon. Nyadeng & Dr. Majak Attacks By Some Dinka Bor, We Do Consider it As Twic Dinka Attacks

Twic East Community of South Sudan-USA:

Kosti Manibe and Rebecca Nyandeng heartbroken by Salva Kiir's intransigent to sign peace agreement in Addis Ababa(Photo: file)
Kosti Manibe and Rebecca Nyandeng heartbroken by Salva Kiir’s intransigent to sign peace agreement in Addis Ababa(Photo: file)

Nov 30, 2015(Nyamilepedia) —- To our people around the world, and in South Sudan nation also, we are aware of the unfortunate incident that did occur in Jieng Emanuel Church in Juba, the Capital City of South Sudan.

Twic East Community don’t like that, and we advice our neighbor to cease such behaviors against the Founder Father’s widow and hero, otherwise your intellectuals too are under our radar. For people who don’t understand what we are trying to say here, we are talking about the attack that did happen on Sunday against: Hon. Rebecca Nyadeng and Dr. Majak Agoot.

We heard what indeed happened in the Church and we are not surprised about that at all. Which community have such an evil behavior to do such a bad thing in the Church?

Before we even confirm everything fully, who were behind such un-ethical incident? and where do such people who don’t respect place of Worship come from? In this matter, we will not shy away from where we can point our fingers to right now, Dinka Bor. Again, this is 100% Dinka Bor behavior.

Such an incident did happen before when Dr. Majak Agoot was released from jailed. One of politicians said, “he can’t go to Church were rebels go to.” That politicians from Dinka Bor was talking about this the same Church called Jieng Emanuel Church where Dr. Majak goes to. So for us, we know most of Bor County people don’t shy away from doing or talking bad things about others’ places like good gathering, Church, even funeral and so forth.

Our message is this, Twi people, you need to wake up and protects your intellectuals and yourselves, because they “Boo'” have spread lies or gossiping against Twic East Community to other Dinkas or other communities in exchange of many positions which have been given to them in South Sudan’s government by Salva Kiir. For example, where in the world such a small tribe like Dinka Bor, which is not even comparable to Eastern Twi Dinka through population wise, would take top positions in a government like that of Salva Kiir?

We need to stand up! Greater Twic East Community needs to stand up with one voices, please try your best wherever you are by uniting yourselves, and we in the Untied States are now on process to come together to deals with these provocative ideals from our neighbor.

We have liberated that land when there was no money, that is why our intellectuals were respected as intellectuals or freedom fighters by everybody. But after liberation emerged, our intellectuals have now become Eastern Twi Dinka intellectuals sons and daughters because there is money now in SPLM/A which some communities or people used to run away with or betrayed our people for unjust cause.

Whether they are good or bad to outsiders, still they are our sons and daughters and we can’t leave them in hand of blood-thirtiers. We have to stand with them since they were actually chased away from the government of South Sudan through jealousy, just because they are from Eastern Twi Dinka, at the very beginning of the ongoing conflict almost two years ago.

So it is a must now to protect our intellectuals, especially, you the Youths of ours. No more idleness. Our community has learned from many incidents that have occurred against us through many despicable ways. Capt. Mabior was attacked many years ago by some Dinkas colleague. He was about to be murdered by attackers until one of the attackers change his mind and rescue Mabior Garang’s life. It is one of the reasons why he has been in exile. Your own kinship trying to take his life away without any legitimate reason to takes his life away pre-maturely. He is now sustaining wounds of those attacks. Plus many other incidents again our people. We need to stand together to stop this!

Whenever somebody touch them first, you have a natural right to touch them back when it is appropriate time to do just that. What is the point here, Dr. Majak had already been proven in the court of law as freeman that was wrongly accused, so who are these criminals who still follow a freeman?

Let’s take the word of Michael Makuei Lueth and others from Dinka Bor who have accused our entire Community of Twic as “Rebels” without any good explanation when they are asked to prove their claims. In this case, our Community was generalized as rebels because of these two intellectuals who have been wrongly accused.

There was no any organized force that has been found in Greater Twic East land which Dr. Majak planned to overthrow the government. People! Things don’t click here, otherwise the foolish ones have different way to prove our community’s wrongdoings. There is no other way to put it, it is just pure jealousy from our neighbor. The Dinka Bor accusation toward Twic Community is dull but why they are still following our innocent intellectuals or the entire community of Twic East? Something is really fishy from our neighbor.

Through different ways, we have made our own research among Dinkas’ Communities in regard to our unfounded accusations from neighbor. We didn’t find any other Communities of Jieng or Dinkas that has any issues with Eastern Twi Dinka or intellectuals except our jealous neighbors. Readers be the judge of your own!

Moreover, we really felt sad about what have had happened to Dr. Chol son and our brother Barach Mayendit plus Pakeer bad incidents where young children, elders and women were murdered in cold-bloods. May the Almighty God rests their Souls in Peace and at the sometime, we are forword our condolences to the families of our deceased souls as well.

Jieng say, there is, “Tieen Diar Mooc ekaamic.” between Eastern Twi Dinka and Bor Dinka.

Please PRAYS for Twic East Community concerning the going processes of putting our everything together to face our common enemy that we never provoke.

God Bless our Community of Twi people. We are being hated by evil hearts or dark heart that don’t believe in sincerity, justice and fairness to others.

Signed by Twic East Community of South Sudan-USA. You can reach us at dinkatwi@yahoo.com


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48 comments

Beek November 30, 2015 at 3:15 am

Nyandeng was praying what,while she is a sinner who passed secret Hacking to Riek Machar in bed.She shouldn’t accept to show herself praying on the media. A private Graveyard has nothing to do with media.

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Beek November 30, 2015 at 3:24 am

How many people late John Garang had killed? Nyandeng/ Nan-deng or what ever.She is not our grandparents maybe Kiir and cronies SPLM.

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GatNor November 30, 2015 at 5:49 am

Jaang you are one f*cked up community. You murder children, helpless old folks,, You rape, sodomized pregnant women and cut out the child she is carrying & then killed her & the child.You are in fact quite so unbelievable that in 21 century it is recorded the Jaang had went as far as forcing canabalism on their victims.. (Forcing a human to eat a human flesh.. Jaang did this) The widow’s husband and one of the so called south sudan’s founding fathers of course dead and his death is suspiciously being blame on you Jaang as a community.You never seem to amaze me with your unpredictable nature.No wonder you went as far as attacking people in the church, the widow of your founding Jaang kingdom.

You scold & bash Ngundeng’s followers and claim that you are christians but today if Nnundeng & Jesus where to walk into your churches & point out your evil deeds including that of Juba mass murder of Nuers, you would not waste time calling them rebels without any hesitations or your bs konkooch. As a matter of fact I suspect you would called Jesus a white man’s agent wanting to change your government. I mean you are really f*cked in the head.

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AMEN November 30, 2015 at 6:49 am

that woman who slap Nyandeng was very sad when she saw Nyandeng in the church while Nyandeng was much focus on the killing of Nuer in Juba while in Bor town there were thousand of people killed by Riek MMachar,s forces in 2013. Nyandeng should learn lesson from Riek machar in 1991 when Riek defected from her husband and want to kill Garang otherwise if garang were not strong he would have to be killed. Nyandeng is a crazy woman who never think proper. the issue not for twic east community all south sudanese are very sad about Nyandeng,s behaviors in south sudan.

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DINGIT NA TUGGÖ November 30, 2015 at 6:57 am

The evil behavious of arian is alway the same wether in the church or out the church. They are jut evil and it is good here that they themselves admitted that they are the true satan disturbing this country.

Please move away from Juba, go and practice your demons in bor

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AMEN November 30, 2015 at 7:08 am

Slaping is not enought Nyandeng needed to be killed, she forget that she is woman she though that if Garang was wise enought to lead south sudanese into independent nation than she can take over the leadership when garang is not there. Nyandeng is not a brother to Garang where she can have same clevereness and talent with Garang, Nyandeng never respected Twic as her husband,s clan as well Bor general.

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GatNor November 30, 2015 at 12:56 pm

Your name Amen’s origin comes from an Egyptian goddess Amun who was worshiped religiously. Ya if I were you I would not brag so much.

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DINGIT NA TUGGÖ November 30, 2015 at 7:14 am

Hahahahahahaha…………………… hello twic east community, I thank you so much to be frank by accepting the fact that you are the worst community on earth. You do practice evil whereever you are, including inside churces. You are so popular world wide of you bagara behavious. Good luck please enjoy but move to bor not in juba

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DINGIT NA TUGGÖ November 30, 2015 at 8:01 am

GatNor, this is why I always say it is very difficult to differenciate the Nuer and the arian jenge. Who is ngundeng you compare with Jesus Christ? Please respect the Savior Jesus Christ if you are a true christian and if you are not then you need not to mention Jesus name falsely.

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GatNor November 30, 2015 at 12:39 pm

D. Na Tuggo,
I think you completely have misunderstood my mentioning of Jesus & Ngundeng in the same sentence.

Having said that, I like to clarify to you that my intention was to make a point & not to draw any contrast between the two respectfully.

For example, if Natuggo & GatNor were to walk into a Jaang church with or without any pior perceived notion of divinity.

You should know that all the men and women of the past known to man to have posses slightest quality of divinity are of the same blood lines reincarnating in different realities of timelines.Each one of them projects their realities by teachings the specific society from which they choosed & contracted to be born into.

I dont care if you rather not hear about Ngundeng but the fact is if you dont hear about Ngundeng from me or some other person yet South Sudan history which is also your histor brings up Ngundeng alot.I don’t think you will avoid hearing about him for generations to come.

Ngundeng was believed to have foretold certain events concerning South Sudan that apparently came to past, Jesus is not by any measurable standard comparable with Ngundeng.

I personally don’t have the words to explain to you what or who Jesus is less we venture into argument over religious figures & so I will leave it at that.

I was born into Christianity & I am perfectly OK with it though its a never ending process of learning and discoveries.I too accepted Jesus as my savior before I learned of your existent.

You must distinguish the Nuers from Jaang or else you create a confusion for yourself. I was expecting some response from a Jang not you. Anyways, good luck with your phobia.

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man of the people November 30, 2015 at 8:34 am

Reconciliation and forgiveness has not taken roots in South Sudan. We have signed a compromised peace agreement. Mark the word “COMPROMISE “. It means not every one is satisfied but we can put up with the agreement and still improve on it. A Church is is House of worship or a house of GOD. EVIL cannot take hold in the church. The attack on Nyandeng, mother of the Nation is shameful. Where were government security? Hopefully, the government hand is not behind.

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AMEN November 30, 2015 at 9:03 am

why do you support a baseless rebellion Riek Machar will never achieve what ever he want because of his trible thinking. what happened in church is not an issue of twic community in Jonglei particular in Bor, Nyandeng contribute the dead of thousand civilian in Bor which were killed by Riek Machar,s forces all south sudanes know that.

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mangok November 30, 2015 at 9:16 am

Baak/back and amen why should you guys use your stomach to think?no,school is underrated in s.sudan but anyway I don’t blame you in fact I blame the writer’s cos they should have taken you to school so that you are not able to misunderstand them cos you we’re thought how to milk a cow! What is the meaning of reconciliation?no in fact you guy’s should go back to your mother’s womb for 9 months and be born again to reason properly

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 11:34 am

Fighting in churches is justifiable. Churches are places for worshipping of God,but when a devils you know show up,there is no better place on earth to fight them than the churches themselves.

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 11:54 am

Let the Christian soldiers fight Prince and princess of darkness in Juba.

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 12:02 pm

Iscariot is not a friend of Jesus or prophet Moses. They workship different Lords and the former shouldn’t be in the same church with either one of the rest.

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 12:06 pm

It is not okay the devil go to same church with Jesus.

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 12:08 pm

There has never been one reconciliation between the devil and son of God.

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 12:10 pm

Jesus has never eaten with the devil.

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 12:27 pm

Jesus forgave Iscariot for his being a traitor, although that forgiveness didn’t help him.

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 12:34 pm

It is badly alright to reconciled with your foes.

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 12:42 pm

There will be everlasting peace in South Sudan when both jesus and devil resolved to work together in good faith.

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 1:07 pm

Ghosts can be kept away from entering the Churches with garlic onion powder scattered at the doorsteps.

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Tolio November 30, 2015 at 1:10 pm

Don’t forget to salt the witches to make them powerless.

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GatNor November 30, 2015 at 1:36 pm

Consider that all life on this universe are sacred, the plants, animals including human.

Now go to the Bible and read MARK 11:12-25 where there was some serious drama

I wonder if Jesus here committed a forgivable sin when he coursed the fig tree to shriveled because he was hungry.

Tolio, Na Tuggo, Beek & Amen. the question is for you all. I hope it doesn’t catch you with your pants down & hands deep in the cookie jar of hypocricies.

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Beek November 30, 2015 at 2:32 pm

Using or Bringing the so-called non existed Messeriya tribe to kill our people will not help anymore and we still ask for justice or we will kick them out.

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Ajak Kuot Deng November 30, 2015 at 9:03 pm

I think this press release ddidn’t come from Twi East county members in USA. This is a Plan from the enemies of Bor . To me, l don’t know if Twi and Bor are different . It was meant by our enemies to divide us. At first we were Bor South, Bor Central and Bor North. If at all that is yours my brothers , cease that chapter before others could take it seriously because it is harmful to our scattered population which needs unity at the moment. I assume being in USA you may have learned something because thinking along that line will make you no different from what you are trying to criticize.

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WeOne November 30, 2015 at 9:56 pm

Nyandeng is not a Twi east, if the name Nyandeng represent Twi east like you guys claim, then all of Twi are rebels. A self proclaimed mother of nation is of nonsense, what kind of mother is she, when she only called Twi and told them about wenna Adit! Told the world about killing in Juba and ignore the killing carried out by Nuer rebels in Bor and others town?

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riak a garang November 30, 2015 at 11:55 pm

I believe this view is not for twic east as a community. If it’s so, then our brothers are baseless. Dinka belong to all of us, twic east included. We have three stronghold of dinka, dinka Bor, apadang’ and bar El ghazal. If you don’t know learn it now. Besides, what happened in Emanuel Parish was between fellow women. If a man had a grudge against nyandengdit or majak, fellow men would have reacted. If twic east patriots are complaining, then they lost credibility of being men any more. Political positions are gained base on friendship and if boo had friends in the government, I don’t see what bits you there. Majak, nyandengdit, bior ajang but to mention a few are officials in Kiir government, thus I don’t see the need of demonizing buor County in term of positions. Population wise, bor County is nothing close to both duk and twic east. Thus it shows how naive the twic east intellectuals are if your view represent twic as a whole. On struggle for liberation, twic had contributed but couldn’t be attributed to them entirely. Garang defected because he was influenced by buor. Besides, all who fell to martyrdom a handful are buor. The like of majok mach, alier nhial mangardit, majier, mach ajak to mention but a few. You should be ashamed of yourself before exposing your naivety. Garang killed buor but since buor were wise enough, they took it upon themselves to liberate south sudan. Buor had never released this childish statements on account a lady had fingerpointed another lady. Majier was murdered with about 12 patriotic buor, did any monybuor release your backward statements. As for Majak, aka thontok ee baai, who sent him and nyandengdit to exile. They left us, we still remains the way we’re before crisis broke. You simply don’t disown your mother for refusing you porridge. Majak and nyandengdit disown south sudan simply because their positions were taken but buor remained attached. Nyandengdit contacted one of the sultan while in Nairobi. She mentioned that the youth to be awared that gatwich will be passing on their land and no attack to be carried on them. So calling you rebels is dim correct and true. She and her followers deserve such a name. We believe education like what you had is disastrous and deserve not to be educated.

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DINGIT NA TUGGÖ December 1, 2015 at 12:10 am

gator or GATPÖT………………..I thought you do understand but you get very farious because I point out the truth of not comparing Jesus Christ with any idol god like ngundeng. Mentioning St. Mark:12-25 cant give you any knowledge about the two Holy Books (the OT & the NT) and how or when they are put together. Do you know after which crhristian perscution prompted the Roman Empire to recognise the Sunday to be a free day for christians. It was in 321 A.C and by Empiror Constantin. To be open to you, am studying THEOLOGY and MISSIONARY with European Standard. And I know that you do not know something about christian history, you know only the Bible and I see why you are so close to your idol god ngundeng rather than our savour Jesus Christ. But I still believe you will get better when the reformists arrive Juba, for reforming churches is one of the top agenda. Because Kiir goes to church every Sunday but yet kill your brother, your mother, your uncle. You GatNor, you idiot like your idol god ngundeng ………………..You need to thank me than trying to teach me. Because am helping to stop kiir killing you.

My brother, do not mix me with any jenge, you better mix yourself with them, for you share the same marks on your heads. But yet I like you because we share the same idealogy of sandwitching the jenge. So it is up to you to choose wether to go with the arian jenge or fight the war to kick the jenge from Juba.

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Simon Garang December 1, 2015 at 1:15 am

The enemies of John Garang, SPLM, South Sudan are also the enemies of Nyandengdit and we know them.Wrongdoers don’t like people who tells the truth as they lives by lies and when lies are exposes, they consider themselves under attack.Prepare yourselves as more truth will be revealed soon and the Hybrid court will hold each one accountable.If Nyandeng killed people in Bor as most dark eyes, dark minds and dark hearts from that dark place claims, accuse her before the hybrid court.Real big inddictments are coming and any community that will shelter criminals will be dealt with by the region, Africa and the wholeworld.Keep looking into your darkness with your dark minds and eyes and no salvation unless you repents and start respecting Nyandeng and John Garang.Look at Makuei Lueth, the way he attacked the Equatorians women is tribally provocative to the Equatorian man.Stop provocking tribal wars.This time round you will stand alone.

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DINGIT NA TUGGÖ December 1, 2015 at 12:32 am

Gatpöt,

do not try to explain anything out of the Bible for you do not know about it. The panya road or short cut to be a preacher is of old age and is not recognised in Juba. Go to university, study theology for five years and come back to Juba and start quoting verses in the Bible or just remain in Leer and talk to your people about ngundeng. Hope you get me right

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UncleD December 1, 2015 at 1:11 am

It is pathetic to continue to think that she advocated only for the Nuer’s killings in Juba if people with such evil ideas refer to her interview with the BBC. There was no killings on innocent lives which took place in Bor or Akoba at the time, her concerns during her interview with the BBC was merciless killings of Nuers in Juba and its negative consequences that turned out to be the unfortunate lost of innocent lives in Bor, Akoba and the rest of the Upper Nile region. Anyone with low IQ would continue to point their dirty fingers at her however, a sensible human being should know that what caused us innocent lives in Bor and the rest of the Upper Nile was that senseless killing in Juba.

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Tolio December 1, 2015 at 1:13 am

Juur or nyinyaam ca amuok achar.Ee ngu luel ke? Wek ci yiic thiang kooth Ku tiel.

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Kiir Riak Bai December 1, 2015 at 5:42 am

Dear brothers and sisters from twi east, I have seen your frustration to what had happened to mama Nyandengdit on sunday in Juba. I would like to advice you in your writing in order not to generalize Bor south in your writing.

we have many people who are not happy with what the woman dose in the church against Mama Nyandengdit and Dr. Majok. Recently Dr. Majak advice you from the STATES to united and focus on peace.

Let we take this peace seriously we the people of Greater Bor, sooner than later after the peace, we will/shalL sit down to discuss the issues partnering our social and political a busy.

However, you know very well that one of the elder from Bor south gave Dr. Majak stick[ yuai], to ashamed the government and those who were against freedom fighter [Majak.] on behalf of those who were arrested by the wick government.

please, you should refrain from generalize your colleagues.

I have even seen your request for prayers, I will pray for you in order for God to let you forgives and forget your adversaries.
moreover, most of the people in south sudan are happy if we are not united. brothers and sister in abroad, reflect back for the other communities are happy with us.

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Joseph Kuir Bior December 1, 2015 at 11:22 pm

Dear Kiir Riak Bai? Thanks for your mature advise though not deserve record with nick Names, I thought and i learned remember when our older politician use their real names in every circumstance even led death, they don,t hid their details for future either good or bad result. for that reason, Mr Kiir Riak Bai, I am not hesitating to beg you to restore your real Names for the sake and your good merit,I hope hope that , YOU have convened some our community members who wrote this article in expense want to fiddle with while at refuge. Their gesticulate on the grievances happening in South Sudan or between two or groups of within our community are in individuals to visualize them out side the affections. This group must endure and bear with revolution consequence with rather to come nourish the situation than provoke it. Should not general the County members.Thank to Mr Kiir Raik Bai and the writer group wish them good psychoanalysis.

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Loberito December 1, 2015 at 11:12 am

Dear Kiir Riak Bai,

Great advice. Generalizing others is dangerous. It is always good to focus on an issue than generalizing others in a situation. I think a woman was very emotional and her emotion does not help her but she blames it on Mama Rebecca. It was only one woman who could not control her emotions. This has nothing to do with entire Bor Community. Bor community should not feel like they are the worst community on earth. This is not true. Every society has a bad apple. Let us avoid such generalization because it is not helpful.

Let us find ways to unite ourselves as South Sudanese. Let us not make the difference divide us. We are not the only people on earth who have problems. Look around the world and see how many countries that at war. As human beings we are the only creatures that we not naturally getting a long well with one another. We must have to learn the hard way to find ways to get along well.

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Gatdar.wich December 1, 2015 at 5:05 pm

Mama Nyandeng and the cohorts-Former Detainees has been undoubtedly accorded terrorists’ welcome by the Bor of Kuol Manyany and Makuei Liar, at the Jiengs’ Emmanuel Church. Terrorists never respects places of worship period.

Good Luck Jiengs !

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DinkaTwic Panda December 1, 2015 at 9:59 pm

People need to know where generalization start first, it was started from Greater Bor Community/Dinka Bor Community by generalizing entire Greater Twic East Communty/Eastern Twi Dinka as “rebels.” Please have reasoning before you judge others.

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David December 1, 2015 at 10:03 pm

If you guys don’t like what happened to Nyandeng in the Church, you should also be very unhappy for the people who were killed in the Church in Bor.

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DINGIT NA TUGGÖ December 2, 2015 at 5:19 am

tolio thinks this country is ruled by dinka language, nevery you must go to school before opening your dirty nyalama in front of educated world

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Tolio December 2, 2015 at 12:04 pm

Dingit

Dinka dialect is taught in school and that is where I learned it from.

Only Jesus speaks Dinka dialect without ever going to school for it, because he speaks in tongues.

It is a popular lingo for many SPLA war songs and no doubt your people sing those songs,too.

Some Equotorians and Nuers speak Dinka dialect, not just Muonyjiengs alone.

Perhaps, you should try to learn this beautiful language. It is better than killing innocent people.

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DINGIT NA TUGGÖ December 3, 2015 at 1:17 am

idiot tolio

why wasting my time learning primitive language of primitive people? why me to learn language of triblism, nepotism, corruption, land grabbers? You should understand that it is your language which gives you nyalama, wounded face, going naked and all evil deed. this is because of your language.

idiot tolio……………….get me right it was not Jesu who spoke many languages it was the His appostles when they recieved the Holy Spirit. Now I can the reason why you want kill yourselves in dinka emanuel killing church in Juba. YOU GO AND JOIN THEOLOGY SCHOOL BEFORE MENTIONING ANY WORD OF JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD, you idiot arian jenge

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Tolio December 3, 2015 at 7:44 pm

What abilities have the Apostles than that of their teacher,Jesus?

I have a video cassette in which Jesus speaks Dinka Dialect.

So,I’m not an idiot at all but have a genuine reason to say so based on such an evidence itself.

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Kenyi Alex December 3, 2015 at 2:07 am

My fellow South Sudanese, it is change. Although there are many definitions to change, change here is consider as the process of voluntary or involuntary leaving your comfort zone with no certainty about the future to start a new and vibrant life towards achieving vision and mission. Experience has shown that change can be negative or positive depending on how people react to it. Therefore take this from me that, in “every ending there is a new beginning”. So dare to change course in life and start in a new beginning and have positive attitude towards change.

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DINGIT NA TUGGÖ December 3, 2015 at 10:40 am

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessss Kenyi Alex…………………………you are 100% correct,

We need changes and it is baaaak and tolio who have to change their animal characters into human ones. Where are in Juba determine to teach them by writing to them all the time.

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Beek December 3, 2015 at 3:21 pm

I don’t understand why Nyandeng is now crying because our people have heard that she was laughing when Kerubino Kuanyin Bol was killed by Nuer mercenaries.

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Thon Samuel December 4, 2015 at 10:29 pm

I thought you were in USA that your English should be better than that. I meant the poster

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